Colony ships don't have sensors on them, the sensor range they have comes with the basic hull. In other words, every ship has a sensor range of 2 plus what range they get from installed modules. I know that I can build a colony ship that is equal to the starting colony ship in every way but with longer range and cheaper to build with no techs other than my normal starting techs and the ion drive, so I suspect that this is something you're not doing right.

Cargo Hull: 40

Colony Module: 25
Hyperdrive engine: 10?
Basic life support: 5x3

That adds up for me, though I'm not certain about the size of the hyperdrive engine on a cargo hull.

Oops, that was Cargo Hull: 50, so it would have added up, except that the basic hyperdrive engine is 13 spaces, so it totals out to 53. Not a major infraction since what I built would have a range of 1.1 instead of 0.9, but the cost is also off. Also, the sensor range of a colony ship is 3 rather than 2, though I have no clue why.

O.K., I've got the game up. without the ion engine tech, this is as close as we can come:

Cargo Hull: 50 spaces, 60 cost
Colony Module: 25 spaces, 25 cost
Hyperdrive engine: 13 spaces, 30 cost
Basic life support x2: 10 spaces, 20 cost

So far, that gives us all the stats of the default colony ship, except that the range is only 0.8 instead of 0.9 and the sensor range is 2 instead of 3. We've got 2 spaces and 20 BC cost to make up the difference, and that isn't going to happen. The cost is right (this design comes up at 135, and it would cost 20BC for a sensors module and another basic life support module), but that would make the ship 7 spaces too big AND would give the ship a longer range than the default colony ship has, so it's obvious that it isn't just a matter of too much stuff in the ship.

note to self: read the 5 previous posts


just a bug:

when colonizing two planets on the same turn:

first planet is pq26 with a research tile (whoah! gotta rename this planet!!) -> click 'details' ->

second planet is a pq9 with a mining tile. (what happened to renaming???!?!?)


i'm sure you've all realized by now that the sequence after new turn is haphazard at this point.

Oops, that was Cargo Hull: 50, so it would have added up, except that the basic hyperdrive engine is 13 spaces, so it totals out to 53. Not a major infraction since what I built would have a range of 1.1 instead of 0.9, but the cost is also off. Also, the sensor range of a colony ship is 3 rather than 2, though I have no clue why. O.K., I've got the game up. without the ion engine tech, this is as close as we can come: Cargo Hull: 50 spaces, 60 cost Colony Module: 25 spaces, 25 cost Hyperdrive engine: 13 spaces, 30 cost Basic life support x2: 10 spaces, 20 cost So far, that gives us all the stats of the default colony ship, except that the range is only 0.8 instead of 0.9 and the sensor range is 2 instead of 3. We've got 2 spaces and 20 BC cost to make up the difference, and that isn't going to happen. The cost is right (this design comes up at 135, and it would cost 20BC for a sensors module and another basic life support module), but that would make the ship 7 spaces too big AND would give the ship a longer range than the default colony ship has, so it's obvious that it isn't just a matter of too much stuff in the ship.

It just does not add up...

Yes we can get close but my point is we should be able to duplicate exactly what is on the colony ship using the tech we start with. Check by upgrading the colony ship what is on there and try to match this with the same tech that is on the colony by building a new colony from scratch.

Maybe this is done on purpose as it would be very easy to build a super colony ship and use this to outclass the AI and get all the good worlds from the start

It would be preferable to be able to create the exact ship, but as I pointed out, what we can build isn't that far off from what they're providing. 20 BC cheaper, but short 1 point of range and one point of sensors.

Just looked at the GC2Ships.xml file. The basic Colony Ship is defined as I spec'ed, with those two modules. Don't know why they put sensors on a base colony ship. This I would say is in need of two bug fixes and one tweak. The first bug fix is for a bug I've already reported: When using ships from previously saved games, it does *NOT* check to make sure you have sufficient minaturization to use the ship, so you can build ships that you can't design, even if you were the one that designed them.

Second bug fix (unreported, but I'll repeat it in a second post so that it doesn't get lost): The basic colony ship has three basic life support modules, which combined with the base range of 0.1 should give you a base range of 1.0, not 0.9 like the pre-designed colony ship, nor the 1.1 that you would get if you built the ship yourself.

Tweak: Get rid of the sensors on the colony ship, and either do something so that you can fit all three basic life support modules on the colony ship, or change something so that you only need two of them.

Devs: Just repeating a bug I found and mentioned in the previous post, since it would be easy to overlook:

Range isn't being computed properly for ships: The default Colony Ship, possibly others (haven't checked) don't get their 0.1 from the basic hull (so 3 basic life support units, which should *ADD* 0.9 to the range result in a range of 0.9 instead of 1.0), and player-designed ships get an extra 0.1 of range when they add their first range module (specific, confirmed case, a player designed Colony Ship with 3 basic life support units again should have a range of 1.0, but ends up with 1.1).

I was playing with the domestic policy panel (hot key 4), when I found the following:
- in the stats page, not all your abilities are listed. For example
- in the stats page, when I clicked abilities/economy/Military/misc or society, some violet lines (I am playing Thalan) are become balck and can't b de distinguished from the rest of the panel. Very annoying to cycle through the various abilities.

Will there be one more public beta release after .78 ???

Will there be one more public beta release after .78 ???

I think one more public beta coming today (thursday)

Anyone noticed the Arcean Empire Constructor has a speed of 6 while the rest of their ships seem to be standard, is this normal?

Also it is possible to remove ships from the Arcean Empire Fleet while playing as Human.

I posted this a couple days ago, but cannot find it on the site, so will again here...

There's a bug in the sector sweep command...my scout went over an anomally, and was teleported outside my area of space...could not move the ship manually because I was too far away...put the scout on sector sweep, and it moved all the way back to my area of space...

Does anyone know where to downlaod 4d? I don't see it at Stardock.

Sabre21

Since beta 4d is out, this will be my last report on 4c (I hope).

The UPC voted to allow 4 more trade routes for each race. Two turns later my freighter reached Drengi, and I was advised that I had exceeded my maximum allowed trade routes - since I only had 7 trade routes at the time, and the UPC vote should have given me 10 or 11 (depending on the max limit), it appears that the UPC vote was ignored in deciding whether my new trade route should be allowed.

Sabre21, for some reason I couldn't find it either, despite refreshing, checking for updated apps, even rebooting. Then I switched my server from Chicago to California, and there it was. I don't know if it's a server issue (didn't go on the chicago server as soon), or if it was a StarDock Central issue (not seeing the updated app until I switched servers).